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		<title>Comment on The Prolific Blogging Saturday Mixer by Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess this is where I&#039;ll boast a bit.

I was approved to blog on a new collaborative website meant for students involved in student government. If you have any interest about reading what I post about (it&#039;ll mostly focus on conflict/writing or rewriting governing documents, visibility and possibly throwing some student organizing in there in some capacity) you&#039;re more than welcome to, or just to check up on what&#039;s going on (it&#039;s a tad crazy how much these posts will likely fit what&#039;s going on in my life, oh student politics). 

The website is www.sgablogs.com, and I&#039;ve got my intro post and a post on how to deal with being accused of corruption up there now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess this is where I&#8217;ll boast a bit.</p>
<p>I was approved to blog on a new collaborative website meant for students involved in student government. If you have any interest about reading what I post about (it&#8217;ll mostly focus on conflict/writing or rewriting governing documents, visibility and possibly throwing some student organizing in there in some capacity) you&#8217;re more than welcome to, or just to check up on what&#8217;s going on (it&#8217;s a tad crazy how much these posts will likely fit what&#8217;s going on in my life, oh student politics). </p>
<p>The website is <a href="http://www.sgablogs.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgablogs.com</a>, and I&#8217;ve got my intro post and a post on how to deal with being accused of corruption up there now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All Dressed Up and Nowhere to Go by the cape</title>
		<link>http://www.2secondsfaster.com/2010/03/all-dressed-up-and-nowhere-to-go/#comment-16342</link>
		<dc:creator>the cape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-16331&quot;&gt;

a homosexual is not a pedophile by nature.
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Ok, forget the pagans and Greeks.

Can you explain your statement &quot;a homosexual is not a pedophile by nature&quot;?

Leaving aside statistics, explain the essential qualities or characteristics(nature)  of a homosexual not being a pedophile.</description>
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<p>a homosexual is not a pedophile by nature.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, forget the pagans and Greeks.</p>
<p>Can you explain your statement &#8220;a homosexual is not a pedophile by nature&#8221;?</p>
<p>Leaving aside statistics, explain the essential qualities or characteristics(nature)  of a homosexual not being a pedophile.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Prolific Blogging Saturday Mixer by Phil Schembri is HisMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Schembri is HisMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You like me,  you really,  really like me!</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Prolific Blogging Saturday Mixer by Valerie Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexandra - 

I&#039;m jealous!  I want to hold babies!!  I love babies.  

I&#039;m really excited that the pastoral assistant at work is pregnant and is thinking of bringing him/her to work everyday instead of daycare.  Of course I will get no work done if she does that because I will be playing all day!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexandra &#8211; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m jealous!  I want to hold babies!!  I love babies.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really excited that the pastoral assistant at work is pregnant and is thinking of bringing him/her to work everyday instead of daycare.  Of course I will get no work done if she does that because I will be playing all day!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.2secondsfaster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on All Dressed Up and Nowhere to Go by Valerie Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.2secondsfaster.com/2010/03/all-dressed-up-and-nowhere-to-go/#comment-16338</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MK - 

Wiki is wrote by a variety of people and is subject to extreme bias.  

The general definition of the word Pedophile is:

&lt;i&gt;ped·o·phile  (pd-fl, pd-)
n.
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.&lt;/i&gt;

The legal definition of the word pedophile is:

&lt;i&gt;pedophilia n. an obsession with children as sex objects. Overt acts, including taking sexual explicit photographs, molesting children, and exposing one&#039;s genitalia to children are all crimes. The problem with these crimes is that pedophilia is also treated as a mental illness, and the pedophile is often released only to repeat the crimes or escalate the activity to the level of murder.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.tfd.com/pedophile

http://legal-dictionary.tfd.com/pedophile

The general  definition of the word homosexual is:

&lt;i&gt;homosexual [?h??m???s?ksj??l ?h?m-]
n
(Psychology) a person who is sexually attracted to members of the same sex
adj
1. (Psychology) of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality
2. (Life Sciences &amp; Allied Applications / Biology) of or relating to the same sex Compare heterosexual&lt;/i&gt;

and the legal definition of homosexual is:

&lt;i&gt;homosexual adjective gay, gay person, homophile, lesbian&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.tfd.com/homosexual

http://legal-dictionary.tfd.com/homosexual

No matter what the Catholic League likes to say - there is a huge difference between the two.  A homosexual is not going to look at a young boy and think &quot;Well, since I can&#039;t get a man, I&#039;ll go for this boy&quot;.  It doesn&#039;t happen that way.  If your husband wasn&#039;t around would you resort to children for sexual gratification?  

The Priests were not&lt;i&gt; just homosexuals&lt;/i&gt;.  They were pedophiles first and homosexuals second.  There is a huge defined line between the two.

You can go here:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full.pdf+html

&lt;i&gt;Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age range
and/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophiles
by whether they are attracted to only male children (homosexual
pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedophilia),
or children from both sexes (bisexual pedophilia)....

The percentage of homosexual pedophiles
ranges from 9% to 40%,&lt;/i&gt;

The confusion lies in the fact that there are statistically more homosexual pedophiles than there are homosexuals.  This is why people refer to homosexuals as pedophiles, when it couldn&#039;t be further from the truth.  However, you will notice that this means well over 60% of pedophiles are actually heterosexual.

We are now seeing an increase in acceptance of hebephilia and ephebophilia.  This acceptance will no doubt lead to the acceptance of pedophilia.  This is why I was discussing the age of consent laws.  The slippery slope will start there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MK &#8211; </p>
<p>Wiki is wrote by a variety of people and is subject to extreme bias.  </p>
<p>The general definition of the word Pedophile is:</p>
<p><i>ped·o·phile  (pd-fl, pd-)<br />
n.<br />
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.</i></p>
<p>The legal definition of the word pedophile is:</p>
<p><i>pedophilia n. an obsession with children as sex objects. Overt acts, including taking sexual explicit photographs, molesting children, and exposing one&#8217;s genitalia to children are all crimes. The problem with these crimes is that pedophilia is also treated as a mental illness, and the pedophile is often released only to repeat the crimes or escalate the activity to the level of murder.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.tfd.com/pedophile" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfd.com/pedophile</a></p>
<p><a href="http://legal-dictionary.tfd.com/pedophile" rel="nofollow">http://legal-dictionary.tfd.com/pedophile</a></p>
<p>The general  definition of the word homosexual is:</p>
<p><i>homosexual [?h??m???s?ksj??l ?h?m-]<br />
n<br />
(Psychology) a person who is sexually attracted to members of the same sex<br />
adj<br />
1. (Psychology) of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality<br />
2. (Life Sciences &#038; Allied Applications / Biology) of or relating to the same sex Compare heterosexual</i></p>
<p>and the legal definition of homosexual is:</p>
<p><i>homosexual adjective gay, gay person, homophile, lesbian</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.tfd.com/homosexual" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfd.com/homosexual</a></p>
<p><a href="http://legal-dictionary.tfd.com/homosexual" rel="nofollow">http://legal-dictionary.tfd.com/homosexual</a></p>
<p>No matter what the Catholic League likes to say &#8211; there is a huge difference between the two.  A homosexual is not going to look at a young boy and think &#8220;Well, since I can&#8217;t get a man, I&#8217;ll go for this boy&#8221;.  It doesn&#8217;t happen that way.  If your husband wasn&#8217;t around would you resort to children for sexual gratification?  </p>
<p>The Priests were not<i> just homosexuals</i>.  They were pedophiles first and homosexuals second.  There is a huge defined line between the two.</p>
<p>You can go here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full.pdf+html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full.pdf+html</a></p>
<p><i>Pedophiles are usually attracted to a particular age range<br />
and/or sex of child. Research categorizes male pedophiles<br />
by whether they are attracted to only male children (homosexual<br />
pedophilia), female children (heterosexual pedophilia),<br />
or children from both sexes (bisexual pedophilia)&#8230;.</p>
<p>The percentage of homosexual pedophiles<br />
ranges from 9% to 40%,</i></p>
<p>The confusion lies in the fact that there are statistically more homosexual pedophiles than there are homosexuals.  This is why people refer to homosexuals as pedophiles, when it couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth.  However, you will notice that this means well over 60% of pedophiles are actually heterosexual.</p>
<p>We are now seeing an increase in acceptance of hebephilia and ephebophilia.  This acceptance will no doubt lead to the acceptance of pedophilia.  This is why I was discussing the age of consent laws.  The slippery slope will start there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Prolific Blogging Saturday Mixer by Alexandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MK you would be so proud - I&#039;m good with babies now. Or a specific few babies at least. Remember how during my shows in September/October, I kept talking about how my boss was massively pregnant etc - we had to take out some of the seats in the theaters because she couldn&#039;t fit in them for a whole 14-hour workday; and I would stealthily work the names of bakeries into our conversations to inspire cravings so that she would send me out for cupcakes, etc. Well obviously she had her baby, in December, and when things were still quiet in January, before we got really busy in all the theaters, I would go see her twice a week at her apartment to exchange paperwork and have little meetings. Now that we&#039;re busy, she&#039;s at work all day again, but sometimes the wee one is there with her. The upside of this is that I get invited to EVERY SINGLE meeting now - which wasn&#039;t the case before - because I have to be ready to run out of the room with the baby if she starts crying. Haha. I have to admit, it is nice to suddenly be on a first-name basis with all the important design and production people, even if I&#039;m just &quot;that girl who&#039;s always holding the baby.&quot;

On two of my shows, other people in the theater also have young babies, so they bring them a lot as well, depending on what&#039;s going on in the theater that day and how dangerous it is. The scenic designer from one brings his 2-year old daughter to work almost every day, now that the construction is done.

AND the assistant scenic designer on one of my shows is about a billion months pregnant - we had to repeat our wildly successful &quot;take out the seats and put in a rolling chair&quot; maneuver from last fall, for her. She also sometimes brings her 3-year old son to work in the afternoons, until her husband can come get him in the evening (we work until 11pm right now).

So basically there are babies EVERYWHERE. Like every theater I work in has a baby in it somewhere, at all times. I was super nervous about holding my boss&#039; daughter the first few times, because...like, my whole career is on the line if I do it wrong, haha. But now I&#039;m okay with it. Kind of.

I thought you would be proud to hear that.

OMG my captcha is qumran Alexandria. Maybe I should go to Qumran?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MK you would be so proud &#8211; I&#8217;m good with babies now. Or a specific few babies at least. Remember how during my shows in September/October, I kept talking about how my boss was massively pregnant etc &#8211; we had to take out some of the seats in the theaters because she couldn&#8217;t fit in them for a whole 14-hour workday; and I would stealthily work the names of bakeries into our conversations to inspire cravings so that she would send me out for cupcakes, etc. Well obviously she had her baby, in December, and when things were still quiet in January, before we got really busy in all the theaters, I would go see her twice a week at her apartment to exchange paperwork and have little meetings. Now that we&#8217;re busy, she&#8217;s at work all day again, but sometimes the wee one is there with her. The upside of this is that I get invited to EVERY SINGLE meeting now &#8211; which wasn&#8217;t the case before &#8211; because I have to be ready to run out of the room with the baby if she starts crying. Haha. I have to admit, it is nice to suddenly be on a first-name basis with all the important design and production people, even if I&#8217;m just &#8220;that girl who&#8217;s always holding the baby.&#8221;</p>
<p>On two of my shows, other people in the theater also have young babies, so they bring them a lot as well, depending on what&#8217;s going on in the theater that day and how dangerous it is. The scenic designer from one brings his 2-year old daughter to work almost every day, now that the construction is done.</p>
<p>AND the assistant scenic designer on one of my shows is about a billion months pregnant &#8211; we had to repeat our wildly successful &#8220;take out the seats and put in a rolling chair&#8221; maneuver from last fall, for her. She also sometimes brings her 3-year old son to work in the afternoons, until her husband can come get him in the evening (we work until 11pm right now).</p>
<p>So basically there are babies EVERYWHERE. Like every theater I work in has a baby in it somewhere, at all times. I was super nervous about holding my boss&#8217; daughter the first few times, because&#8230;like, my whole career is on the line if I do it wrong, haha. But now I&#8217;m okay with it. Kind of.</p>
<p>I thought you would be proud to hear that.</p>
<p>OMG my captcha is qumran Alexandria. Maybe I should go to Qumran?</p>
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		<title>Comment on All Dressed Up and Nowhere to Go by MK</title>
		<link>http://www.2secondsfaster.com/2010/03/all-dressed-up-and-nowhere-to-go/#comment-16335</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I think Capes&#039;s source was:

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Moral/HomosexualsGodHistory.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I think Capes&#8217;s source was:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unitypublishing.com/Moral/HomosexualsGodHistory.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.unitypublishing.com/Moral/HomosexualsGodHistory.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on All Dressed Up and Nowhere to Go by MK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the confusion is that we throw around the word pedophile.  Men who have sex with adolescents ARE usually homosexuals, but they are not pedophiles. 

&lt;b&gt;From Wiki:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;The words &quot;pedophile&quot; and &quot;pedophilia&quot; are frequently misused to refer to situations in which an older person has sexual relations with a person who is below the legal age of consent, but is pubescent or post-pubescent . The terms &quot;hebephilia&quot; or &quot;ephebophilia&quot; may be more accurate in these cases,[16] but even then may be erroneously used to refer to the actus reus itself, rather than the correct meaning, which is a preference for that age group on the part of the older individual. Even more problematic are situations where the terms are misused to refer to relationships where the younger person is an adult of legal age, but is either perceived socially as being too young in comparison to their older partner, or the older partner occupies a position of authority over them.[75][76]&lt;/i&gt;

Incidentally, this is what most of the Priest scandals consisted of.  Not really pedophiles, but homosexuals with a thing for post pubescent boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the confusion is that we throw around the word pedophile.  Men who have sex with adolescents ARE usually homosexuals, but they are not pedophiles. </p>
<p><b>From Wiki:</b><br />
<i>The words &#8220;pedophile&#8221; and &#8220;pedophilia&#8221; are frequently misused to refer to situations in which an older person has sexual relations with a person who is below the legal age of consent, but is pubescent or post-pubescent . The terms &#8220;hebephilia&#8221; or &#8220;ephebophilia&#8221; may be more accurate in these cases,[16] but even then may be erroneously used to refer to the actus reus itself, rather than the correct meaning, which is a preference for that age group on the part of the older individual. Even more problematic are situations where the terms are misused to refer to relationships where the younger person is an adult of legal age, but is either perceived socially as being too young in comparison to their older partner, or the older partner occupies a position of authority over them.[75][76]</i></p>
<p>Incidentally, this is what most of the Priest scandals consisted of.  Not really pedophiles, but homosexuals with a thing for post pubescent boys.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All Dressed Up and Nowhere to Go by Valerie Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cape - 

Nice copy and paste.  I noticed you neglected to provide your source.

However,  I&#039;m sure that any historian will tell you that homosexuality and the conflict between the Greek and the Jews was not a focal point.  I believe there was a little thing called slavery, the concept of people being superior and/or inferior, and I think Alexander the Great was somewhere in the mix that caused the majority of the conflict.

All that said, If you want to disprove my statement, belief&#039;s and idea&#039;s before the birth of Christ will not get you very far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cape &#8211; </p>
<p>Nice copy and paste.  I noticed you neglected to provide your source.</p>
<p>However,  I&#8217;m sure that any historian will tell you that homosexuality and the conflict between the Greek and the Jews was not a focal point.  I believe there was a little thing called slavery, the concept of people being superior and/or inferior, and I think Alexander the Great was somewhere in the mix that caused the majority of the conflict.</p>
<p>All that said, If you want to disprove my statement, belief&#8217;s and idea&#8217;s before the birth of Christ will not get you very far.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All Dressed Up and Nowhere to Go by the cape</title>
		<link>http://www.2secondsfaster.com/2010/03/all-dressed-up-and-nowhere-to-go/#comment-16332</link>
		<dc:creator>the cape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-16331&quot;&gt;

a homosexual is not a pedophile by nature.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Can you explain that statement Val.?
Paiderasteia is a natural institution of  ancient Greek Culture.  It had  gods to solidify the natural with the supernatural. You know, gods are born from males  having sex with males. When the Greeks conquered the area where the Jews lives, it ended in  war.

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&quot;While the Greeks cultivated paiderasteia as a fundamental institution of male society and attribute of gods and heros, in two centuries, under Persian rule (538-332 B.C.), Biblical Judaism came to reject and penalize male homosexuality in all forms. Jewish religious consciousness deeply internalized this taboo, which became a distinctive feature of Judaic sexual morality, setting the worshippers of the god of Israel apart from the gentiles whose idols they despised. This divergence set the stage for the confrontation between Judaism and Hellenism (Johansson and Percy:34). 




         In implying that the rejection of homosexuality by the Jews began in this time period, Johansson and Percy ignore the Biblical record, but they are correct that the Jews’ opposition to homosexuality was a central factor in their hostility to the Greeks.  They continue (somewhat bitterly), describing the context in which the first clash of these value systems occurred: 

At the heart of the “sodomy delusion” lies the Judaic rejection of Hellenism and paiderasteia, one of the distinctive features of the culture brought by the Greek conquerors of Asia Minor.  It is a fundamental, ineluctable clash of values within what was destined to become Western civilization.  Only in the Maccabean era did the opposition to Hellenization and everything Hellenic lead to the intense, virtually paranoid hatred and condemnation of male homosexuality, a hatred that Judaism bequeathed to the nascent Christian church (ibid.:36). 




    In his article “Homosexuality and the Maccabean Revolt,” Catholic scholar Patrick G. D. Riley also identifies homosexuality as the focal point of conflict between the Jews and the Greeks.  The Greek King, Antiochus, had ordered that all the nations of his empire be “welded... into a single people” (Riley:14).  This created a crisis for the Jews, forcing them to choose between faithfulness to Biblical commandments (at the risk of martyrdom) and  participation in a range of desecrations from “the sacrificing of pigs and the worshiping of idols, to ‘leaving their sons uncircumsized, and prostituting themselves to all kinds of impurity and abomination’ (1 Macc. 1:49-51)” (ibid.:14).
    The Greeks also built one of their gymnasia in Jerusalem, which “attracted the noblest young men of Israel...subduing them under the petaso”  (emphasis ours -- 2 Macc. 4:12).  In the traditional Latin translation the above phrase is rendered “to put in brothels” (Riley:15).   The gymnasia were notorious throughout the ancient world for their association with homosexual practices.  In fact, Flaceliere concludes from Plutarch’s writings that from the beginning of its acceptance in Greece,  “the development of homosexuality was connected to the rise of gymnasia...[which usually contained] not only a statue or Hermes, but also one of Eros” (Flaceliere:65).  
    The tensions which led to the Jewish revolt were exacerbated when the Jewish high priest, a Hellenist himself, offered a sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules), who was a Greek symbol of homosexuality.  Riley adds, “The Jewish temple itself became the scene of pagan sacrificial meals and sexual orgies [including homosexuality].”  The final insult (for which Antiochus is identified in the Bible as the archetype of the antichrist) “was the installation in the temple of a pagan symbol, possibly a representation of Zeus [Baal], called by a sardonic pun ‘the abomination of desolation’” (Riley.:16).
    In the ensuing religious revolt, the Maccabees “preserved what would become the moral charter of Christendom, just as in defending marriage they saved what would be the very material of its construction, namely, the family” (ibid.:17).  Yet, though they preserved the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic, the Maccabees did not vanquish Greek philosophy as a rival social force.  Of the two irreconcilable belief systems, the Judeo-Christian one would prevail, allowing the development of what we know today as Western culture; yet Hellenism survived. &quot;</description>
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<p>a homosexual is not a pedophile by nature.
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<p>Can you explain that statement Val.?<br />
Paiderasteia is a natural institution of  ancient Greek Culture.  It had  gods to solidify the natural with the supernatural. You know, gods are born from males  having sex with males. When the Greeks conquered the area where the Jews lives, it ended in  war.</p>
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&#8220;While the Greeks cultivated paiderasteia as a fundamental institution of male society and attribute of gods and heros, in two centuries, under Persian rule (538-332 B.C.), Biblical Judaism came to reject and penalize male homosexuality in all forms. Jewish religious consciousness deeply internalized this taboo, which became a distinctive feature of Judaic sexual morality, setting the worshippers of the god of Israel apart from the gentiles whose idols they despised. This divergence set the stage for the confrontation between Judaism and Hellenism (Johansson and Percy:34). </p>
<p>         In implying that the rejection of homosexuality by the Jews began in this time period, Johansson and Percy ignore the Biblical record, but they are correct that the Jews’ opposition to homosexuality was a central factor in their hostility to the Greeks.  They continue (somewhat bitterly), describing the context in which the first clash of these value systems occurred: </p>
<p>At the heart of the “sodomy delusion” lies the Judaic rejection of Hellenism and paiderasteia, one of the distinctive features of the culture brought by the Greek conquerors of Asia Minor.  It is a fundamental, ineluctable clash of values within what was destined to become Western civilization.  Only in the Maccabean era did the opposition to Hellenization and everything Hellenic lead to the intense, virtually paranoid hatred and condemnation of male homosexuality, a hatred that Judaism bequeathed to the nascent Christian church (ibid.:36). </p>
<p>    In his article “Homosexuality and the Maccabean Revolt,” Catholic scholar Patrick G. D. Riley also identifies homosexuality as the focal point of conflict between the Jews and the Greeks.  The Greek King, Antiochus, had ordered that all the nations of his empire be “welded&#8230; into a single people” (Riley:14).  This created a crisis for the Jews, forcing them to choose between faithfulness to Biblical commandments (at the risk of martyrdom) and  participation in a range of desecrations from “the sacrificing of pigs and the worshiping of idols, to ‘leaving their sons uncircumsized, and prostituting themselves to all kinds of impurity and abomination’ (1 Macc. 1:49-51)” (ibid.:14).<br />
    The Greeks also built one of their gymnasia in Jerusalem, which “attracted the noblest young men of Israel&#8230;subduing them under the petaso”  (emphasis ours &#8212; 2 Macc. 4:12).  In the traditional Latin translation the above phrase is rendered “to put in brothels” (Riley:15).   The gymnasia were notorious throughout the ancient world for their association with homosexual practices.  In fact, Flaceliere concludes from Plutarch’s writings that from the beginning of its acceptance in Greece,  “the development of homosexuality was connected to the rise of gymnasia&#8230;[which usually contained] not only a statue or Hermes, but also one of Eros” (Flaceliere:65).<br />
    The tensions which led to the Jewish revolt were exacerbated when the Jewish high priest, a Hellenist himself, offered a sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules), who was a Greek symbol of homosexuality.  Riley adds, “The Jewish temple itself became the scene of pagan sacrificial meals and sexual orgies [including homosexuality].”  The final insult (for which Antiochus is identified in the Bible as the archetype of the antichrist) “was the installation in the temple of a pagan symbol, possibly a representation of Zeus [Baal], called by a sardonic pun ‘the abomination of desolation’” (Riley.:16).<br />
    In the ensuing religious revolt, the Maccabees “preserved what would become the moral charter of Christendom, just as in defending marriage they saved what would be the very material of its construction, namely, the family” (ibid.:17).  Yet, though they preserved the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic, the Maccabees did not vanquish Greek philosophy as a rival social force.  Of the two irreconcilable belief systems, the Judeo-Christian one would prevail, allowing the development of what we know today as Western culture; yet Hellenism survived. &#8220;</p>
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